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Thrice.

The first time, I very carefully didn't look as she bunny eared those laces into submission. "Connie! Look! I tied my shoes!" So we did a high five, and I watched as she did a slightly less thrilling bow on the next shoe.

By the time she tied the untied lace later (note to self - after she laces them, I must pull and double knot. She'll be double knotting herself, soon enough), it was old hat. She didn't remark on it in any way.

I did tell her she figured out shoe tying much earlier than I did, though I didn't say how much earlier. It's a little embarrassing, honestly. (Very nearly double digits, if you must know, and that's just for bunny ears! The other way took longer, at least partially because it was always badly explained to me. If people had just said it was only a variation on the square-knot tying I already knew... well, it still would have taken me a while. But perhaps not so long.)

Date: 2008-02-08 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
Took me longer. It took until I could no longer buy velcro shoes in my size.

In kindergarten my friend knew how to tie her shoes, and she showed me the bunny ears method, but I couldn't remember it. I'd been shown the more complex way, and hadn't mastered it yet. When my siblings went to teach it to me again, I asked to learn using the other way, because I felt I had understood it better. They refused to show me the other way.

I'm vaguely guessing that maybe they didn't know it and instead of explaining that insisted the other way was better. Or maybe they firmly believed the other way is better. Whatever.

I said then I didn't want to learn at all. This was part of a general trend in that the teaching styles of pretty much everyone in my family worked horribly with my learning style. I learned well in school, but I was in misery whenever family members tried to teach me things, and I had strong associations with them teaching me things with frustration and pain. So, I simply refused. I insisted, forcibly, on velcro shoes as soon as I was able, and then I refused to wear anything else until I had absolutely no choice. Shoe-tying was not taught in school, so I didn't learn it in a safe, non-frustrating environment, so I just didn't pick it up for ages.

Date: 2008-02-08 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfster.livejournal.com
Ah velcro shoes, where would we be without them? I still wear them and I'm 24 so they're around in larger sizes but maybe not so common :).

Date: 2008-02-08 10:30 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
I asked to learn using the other way, because I felt I had understood it better. They refused to show me the other way. I'm vaguely guessing that maybe they didn't know it and instead of explaining that insisted the other way was better.

Possible. I only learned one way and thought that was the one and only way.

I remember visiting friends of my father's and on the way out, three people (two from that family and I) were tying our shoes together, and I saw that each person was using a different method, which seemed really weird to me since I thought there was only one way.

So I can't tell you which way I do it since the method doesn't have a name for me beyond "tying my shoelaces" - the only variation is whether I do it once or twice. (I do it twice with my current shoelaces because they tend to come untied otherwise. Even so they sometimes do.) It might be what you call "bunny ears", though.

Date: 2008-02-08 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfster.livejournal.com
I didn't work out how to tie shoelaces the proper way until I was 21 and looked it up online because my damn laces still kept coming undone :p.

typing shoelaces the proper way

Date: 2008-02-08 10:31 am (UTC)
ext_78: A picture of a plush animal. It looks a bit like a cross between a duck and a platypus. (Default)
From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
What's "the proper way", then?

(Honest question.)

Re: typing shoelaces the proper way

Date: 2008-02-08 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfster.livejournal.com
Any way that's not a screwed up slip-knot that doesn't come undone all the time ;).

Date: 2008-02-09 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
What's bunny ears?

I learned to tie my shoes on my own, through imitation (at four and a half), so I'm not familiar with "being taught" lingo.

Date: 2008-02-09 09:58 pm (UTC)
ext_78: A picture of a plush animal. It looks a bit like a cross between a duck and a platypus. (Default)
From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
What's bunny ears?

http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/twoloopknot.htm

Date: 2008-02-08 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
Took me longer. It took until I could no longer buy velcro shoes in my size.

In kindergarten my friend knew how to tie her shoes, and she showed me the bunny ears method, but I couldn't remember it. I'd been shown the more complex way, and hadn't mastered it yet. When my siblings went to teach it to me again, I asked to learn using the other way, because I felt I had understood it better. They refused to show me the other way.

I'm vaguely guessing that maybe they didn't know it and instead of explaining that insisted the other way was better. Or maybe they firmly believed the other way is better. Whatever.

I said then I didn't want to learn at all. This was part of a general trend in that the teaching styles of pretty much everyone in my family worked horribly with my learning style. I learned well in school, but I was in misery whenever family members tried to teach me things, and I had strong associations with them teaching me things with frustration and pain. So, I simply refused. I insisted, forcibly, on velcro shoes as soon as I was able, and then I refused to wear anything else until I had absolutely no choice. Shoe-tying was not taught in school, so I didn't learn it in a safe, non-frustrating environment, so I just didn't pick it up for ages.

Date: 2008-02-08 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfster.livejournal.com
Ah velcro shoes, where would we be without them? I still wear them and I'm 24 so they're around in larger sizes but maybe not so common :).

Date: 2008-02-08 10:30 am (UTC)
ext_78: A picture of a plush animal. It looks a bit like a cross between a duck and a platypus. (Default)
From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
I asked to learn using the other way, because I felt I had understood it better. They refused to show me the other way. I'm vaguely guessing that maybe they didn't know it and instead of explaining that insisted the other way was better.

Possible. I only learned one way and thought that was the one and only way.

I remember visiting friends of my father's and on the way out, three people (two from that family and I) were tying our shoes together, and I saw that each person was using a different method, which seemed really weird to me since I thought there was only one way.

So I can't tell you which way I do it since the method doesn't have a name for me beyond "tying my shoelaces" - the only variation is whether I do it once or twice. (I do it twice with my current shoelaces because they tend to come untied otherwise. Even so they sometimes do.) It might be what you call "bunny ears", though.

Date: 2008-02-08 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfster.livejournal.com
I didn't work out how to tie shoelaces the proper way until I was 21 and looked it up online because my damn laces still kept coming undone :p.

typing shoelaces the proper way

Date: 2008-02-08 10:31 am (UTC)
ext_78: A picture of a plush animal. It looks a bit like a cross between a duck and a platypus. (Default)
From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
What's "the proper way", then?

(Honest question.)

Re: typing shoelaces the proper way

Date: 2008-02-08 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfster.livejournal.com
Any way that's not a screwed up slip-knot that doesn't come undone all the time ;).

Date: 2008-02-09 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
What's bunny ears?

I learned to tie my shoes on my own, through imitation (at four and a half), so I'm not familiar with "being taught" lingo.

Date: 2008-02-09 09:58 pm (UTC)
ext_78: A picture of a plush animal. It looks a bit like a cross between a duck and a platypus. (Default)
From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
What's bunny ears?

http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/twoloopknot.htm

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