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Here's an article about parents who dislike their kids getting an icee (note spelling) at the playground or when out and about, and who are working to prevent unlicensed vendors for no reason other than that they don't like saying no to their kids. (That's how it reads, anyway.)
Choice quotes: 1. Parents in most places improvise solutions — running the other way when they hear the jingle or telling their children that they left their wallets at home.
2. As a new mother, she said, people coach you on potty training and what to feed your child. “But the ice cream truck, nobody ever mentions that,” she said.
I have the answer to both of them: Be the parent and tell your kid "no". No, they CANNOT have an icee. No, they CANNOT keep whining for one, repeatedly. My nieces, they know that asking over and over again will turn a yes or a maybe into a no, will turn a no into a time-out - or an immediate trip home. This isn't hard, is it?
Or say yes. No skin off my back, that's for sure.
When Parents Scream Against Ice Cream
By HELENE STAPINSKI
IT’S a spectacular day at Harmony Playground in Prospect Park, Brooklyn, with children swinging and running through sprinklers. An “icy man” with his pushcart of fruit ices stands near the jungle gym, as parents look toward the gated entrance. A second ices vendor enters, also setting up shop inside the playground’s cast-iron fence.
Vicki Sell, mother of 3-year-old Katherine, tenses when the vendor starts ringing his little bell, over and over, hoping her daughter doesn’t have the typical Pavlovian response.
Ever since Katherine had an inconsolable meltdown about not being able to have a treat, Ms. Sell has been trying to have unlicensed vendors ousted from the park. She has repeatedly called the city’s 311 complaint hot line, joining parents nationwide who can’t stand the icy man or his motorized big brother, the ice cream man.
“I fall into the camp of parents who are irate,” Ms. Sell said. She has equal disdain for Mister Softee and the ice cream pop vendor outside the park, but since they are licensed, there is not much she can do about them.
“I feel kind of bad about having developed this attitude,” she said. “I want Katherine to have the full childhood experience and all. But it’s really predatory for them — two of them — to be right inside the playground like this.”
Ms. Sell says she is not obsessed with health and nutrition. She — and others — feel they have been pushed to the brink by that little bell. Across message boards and playgrounds, soccer fields and day camp exits, parents have been raging. In a greener, more health-conscious, unsafe world, the ice cream man has lost some of his mojo.
In Chicago last fall, the City Council banned ice cream trucks from the 18th Ward after residents complained about unclean vendors, noise and, more troubling, possible drug sales inside some of the trucks.
In Clark County, Nev., home to loud and glitzy Las Vegas, an ordinance was voted in this year to prohibit the trucks from jingling after 8 p.m. in summer.
“I ran into some people who wanted to ban him completely,” said Chris Giunchigliani, a county commissioner. “But I didn’t think that was fair.”
In May, New York City principals received letters from the advocacy group Asthma Free School Zone, urging them to keep trucks from their buildings. “Sometimes you’ll see a child in a stroller parked right next to the exhaust pipe of the truck,” said Lori Bukiewicz, schools coordinator for the organization, which has been trying to persuade Mister Softee to use biodiesel fuels in generators for their freezers and to get city officials to pass legislation controlling the trucks’ emissions. For the last two years, it has been illegal for ice cream trucks in the city to play their jingles while stopped for business.
Parents in most places improvise solutions — running the other way when they hear the jingle or telling their children that they left their wallets at home.
Rachael Reiley of Cambridge, Mass., called the ice cream truck “the music truck,” convincing her 3-year-old son that it was playing “The Entertainer” simply to entertain. But he soon got wise when he saw the other children walking away from the truck, their faces smeared with chocolate and vanilla, their hands filled with ice cream cones.
Ms. Reiley didn’t mind buying him a treat, occasionally. But the truck — called Here’s Frosty — parks outside her door on most sunny days around 4:30 p.m. and wakes her son from his nap. “Then he’s up, plastered against the window, yelling: ‘Music truck! Music truck!’ ” Ms. Reiley said. “Sometimes he grabs his little bank and says, ‘I have money.’ ”
As a new mother, she said, people coach you on potty training and what to feed your child. “But the ice cream truck, nobody ever mentions that,” she said.
In northeastern Wisconsin, on the social networking site Moms Like Me, a group of mothers shared their ice cream angst in June. “I was amazed at the number of moms who said they hated it,” said Laura Kaste, the site manager. For some, the cost was a problem. Another mother was angry that the ice cream man would always arrive right before dinner. Joel Semanko, who owns an ice cream vendor business, Cool Cycles, in Tacoma, Wash., said the dignified, responsible days of the ice cream man cruising into a neighborhood at dusk began to fade in the 1970s.
“There used to be this image that was wholesome and cool,” Mr. Semanko said. But these days, in Tacoma, there is a guy in an old mail van with no shirt on, smoking a cigarette, he said. “I heard one kid complain that the guy actually burped on him. That’s creepy to people.”
Mr. Semanko said his No. 1 reason for starting up Cool Cycles was to change the image of the industry. His franchisees drive motorcycles with side cars filled with ice cream bars. They wear white suits, black bow ties and white helmets or hats. They typically charge $1.35 a bar, since their fuel costs are low, and most important, Mr. Semanko said, they drive off as soon as their line of customers is gone.
That approach is pleasingly old school to Crispin Heidel-Habluetzel, a Portland, Ore., mother of two.
“When we were kids you would either get the ice cream or not and then he would just go away,” she said. “But they just sit there now, and it’s like an hour of ‘Can I have ice cream? Can I have ice cream?’ It’s really the vulturelike behavior that bothers me.”
Jim Conway, a vice president for Mister Softee, said the company encouraged vendors to be sensitive to customers’ complaints. But parents, he said, are different from when he was young. Those who dislike the ice cream man, he said, tend to be “New Age parents whose kids can’t seem to do anything without them.”
But the complaints are not just coming from effete organic-food zealots with too much time on their hands. The 18th Ward in Chicago, which banned ice cream vendors, is made up of working-class African-American families. Ms. Reiley is a stay-at-home mother. Ms. Heidel-Habluetzel is a real-estate agent who is an active volunteer at her children’s school. And Ms. Sell owns and runs a restaurant in Brooklyn with her husband, a chef. “I’m not a health freak by any means,” Ms. Sell said. “But I notice what happens to my daughter when she eats these sugar-filled things with all these additives.”
More refined, and expensive, alternatives have popped up. There is the Parfait organic ice cream truck in Seattle, Coolhaus handmade ice cream sandwiches in Los Angeles and Van Leeuwen Artisan Ice Cream in New York.
According to Mister Softee, its typical small vanilla cone is 170 to 190 calories, not exactly a diet buster. It passes the legal definition of ice cream, which cannot be said of soft serve from Dairy Queen and McDonald’s, which sells “ice milk.” Mister Softee ingredients include milk, cream, cane sugar, corn syrup, nonfat milk, whey, mono- and diglycerides, cellulose gum , as well as natural and artificial flavorings.
Though most ice cream vendors are defensive about their prepackaged products, Hilary Guishard of Brooklyn, known as Doc, understands the concern of worried parents. Mr. Guishard, who has owned and driven Mister Softee trucks for 32 years, possesses the wisdom of a man who has cruised the mean streets for a very long time. “I empathize with moms when it come to health issues,” Mr. Guishard said. Some Mister Softee franchisees can get healthier products, like fat-free ice cream, if customers ask them, he said.
“But moms have a choice,” he said. “We should be mature enough to tell our kids, ‘No.’ ”
Wanting the trucks to go away “is not a valid issue,” he said, adding, “It’s like a mother being angry at a store being at a particular corner.” Besides, the ice cream man isn’t forever.
“It’s summer,” he said, sighing. “It’s only four months.”
Choice quotes: 1. Parents in most places improvise solutions — running the other way when they hear the jingle or telling their children that they left their wallets at home.
2. As a new mother, she said, people coach you on potty training and what to feed your child. “But the ice cream truck, nobody ever mentions that,” she said.
I have the answer to both of them: Be the parent and tell your kid "no". No, they CANNOT have an icee. No, they CANNOT keep whining for one, repeatedly. My nieces, they know that asking over and over again will turn a yes or a maybe into a no, will turn a no into a time-out - or an immediate trip home. This isn't hard, is it?
Or say yes. No skin off my back, that's for sure.
When Parents Scream Against Ice Cream
By HELENE STAPINSKI
IT’S a spectacular day at Harmony Playground in Prospect Park, Brooklyn, with children swinging and running through sprinklers. An “icy man” with his pushcart of fruit ices stands near the jungle gym, as parents look toward the gated entrance. A second ices vendor enters, also setting up shop inside the playground’s cast-iron fence.
Vicki Sell, mother of 3-year-old Katherine, tenses when the vendor starts ringing his little bell, over and over, hoping her daughter doesn’t have the typical Pavlovian response.
Ever since Katherine had an inconsolable meltdown about not being able to have a treat, Ms. Sell has been trying to have unlicensed vendors ousted from the park. She has repeatedly called the city’s 311 complaint hot line, joining parents nationwide who can’t stand the icy man or his motorized big brother, the ice cream man.
“I fall into the camp of parents who are irate,” Ms. Sell said. She has equal disdain for Mister Softee and the ice cream pop vendor outside the park, but since they are licensed, there is not much she can do about them.
“I feel kind of bad about having developed this attitude,” she said. “I want Katherine to have the full childhood experience and all. But it’s really predatory for them — two of them — to be right inside the playground like this.”
Ms. Sell says she is not obsessed with health and nutrition. She — and others — feel they have been pushed to the brink by that little bell. Across message boards and playgrounds, soccer fields and day camp exits, parents have been raging. In a greener, more health-conscious, unsafe world, the ice cream man has lost some of his mojo.
In Chicago last fall, the City Council banned ice cream trucks from the 18th Ward after residents complained about unclean vendors, noise and, more troubling, possible drug sales inside some of the trucks.
In Clark County, Nev., home to loud and glitzy Las Vegas, an ordinance was voted in this year to prohibit the trucks from jingling after 8 p.m. in summer.
“I ran into some people who wanted to ban him completely,” said Chris Giunchigliani, a county commissioner. “But I didn’t think that was fair.”
In May, New York City principals received letters from the advocacy group Asthma Free School Zone, urging them to keep trucks from their buildings. “Sometimes you’ll see a child in a stroller parked right next to the exhaust pipe of the truck,” said Lori Bukiewicz, schools coordinator for the organization, which has been trying to persuade Mister Softee to use biodiesel fuels in generators for their freezers and to get city officials to pass legislation controlling the trucks’ emissions. For the last two years, it has been illegal for ice cream trucks in the city to play their jingles while stopped for business.
Parents in most places improvise solutions — running the other way when they hear the jingle or telling their children that they left their wallets at home.
Rachael Reiley of Cambridge, Mass., called the ice cream truck “the music truck,” convincing her 3-year-old son that it was playing “The Entertainer” simply to entertain. But he soon got wise when he saw the other children walking away from the truck, their faces smeared with chocolate and vanilla, their hands filled with ice cream cones.
Ms. Reiley didn’t mind buying him a treat, occasionally. But the truck — called Here’s Frosty — parks outside her door on most sunny days around 4:30 p.m. and wakes her son from his nap. “Then he’s up, plastered against the window, yelling: ‘Music truck! Music truck!’ ” Ms. Reiley said. “Sometimes he grabs his little bank and says, ‘I have money.’ ”
As a new mother, she said, people coach you on potty training and what to feed your child. “But the ice cream truck, nobody ever mentions that,” she said.
In northeastern Wisconsin, on the social networking site Moms Like Me, a group of mothers shared their ice cream angst in June. “I was amazed at the number of moms who said they hated it,” said Laura Kaste, the site manager. For some, the cost was a problem. Another mother was angry that the ice cream man would always arrive right before dinner. Joel Semanko, who owns an ice cream vendor business, Cool Cycles, in Tacoma, Wash., said the dignified, responsible days of the ice cream man cruising into a neighborhood at dusk began to fade in the 1970s.
“There used to be this image that was wholesome and cool,” Mr. Semanko said. But these days, in Tacoma, there is a guy in an old mail van with no shirt on, smoking a cigarette, he said. “I heard one kid complain that the guy actually burped on him. That’s creepy to people.”
Mr. Semanko said his No. 1 reason for starting up Cool Cycles was to change the image of the industry. His franchisees drive motorcycles with side cars filled with ice cream bars. They wear white suits, black bow ties and white helmets or hats. They typically charge $1.35 a bar, since their fuel costs are low, and most important, Mr. Semanko said, they drive off as soon as their line of customers is gone.
That approach is pleasingly old school to Crispin Heidel-Habluetzel, a Portland, Ore., mother of two.
“When we were kids you would either get the ice cream or not and then he would just go away,” she said. “But they just sit there now, and it’s like an hour of ‘Can I have ice cream? Can I have ice cream?’ It’s really the vulturelike behavior that bothers me.”
Jim Conway, a vice president for Mister Softee, said the company encouraged vendors to be sensitive to customers’ complaints. But parents, he said, are different from when he was young. Those who dislike the ice cream man, he said, tend to be “New Age parents whose kids can’t seem to do anything without them.”
But the complaints are not just coming from effete organic-food zealots with too much time on their hands. The 18th Ward in Chicago, which banned ice cream vendors, is made up of working-class African-American families. Ms. Reiley is a stay-at-home mother. Ms. Heidel-Habluetzel is a real-estate agent who is an active volunteer at her children’s school. And Ms. Sell owns and runs a restaurant in Brooklyn with her husband, a chef. “I’m not a health freak by any means,” Ms. Sell said. “But I notice what happens to my daughter when she eats these sugar-filled things with all these additives.”
More refined, and expensive, alternatives have popped up. There is the Parfait organic ice cream truck in Seattle, Coolhaus handmade ice cream sandwiches in Los Angeles and Van Leeuwen Artisan Ice Cream in New York.
According to Mister Softee, its typical small vanilla cone is 170 to 190 calories, not exactly a diet buster. It passes the legal definition of ice cream, which cannot be said of soft serve from Dairy Queen and McDonald’s, which sells “ice milk.” Mister Softee ingredients include milk, cream, cane sugar, corn syrup, nonfat milk, whey, mono- and diglycerides, cellulose gum , as well as natural and artificial flavorings.
Though most ice cream vendors are defensive about their prepackaged products, Hilary Guishard of Brooklyn, known as Doc, understands the concern of worried parents. Mr. Guishard, who has owned and driven Mister Softee trucks for 32 years, possesses the wisdom of a man who has cruised the mean streets for a very long time. “I empathize with moms when it come to health issues,” Mr. Guishard said. Some Mister Softee franchisees can get healthier products, like fat-free ice cream, if customers ask them, he said.
“But moms have a choice,” he said. “We should be mature enough to tell our kids, ‘No.’ ”
Wanting the trucks to go away “is not a valid issue,” he said, adding, “It’s like a mother being angry at a store being at a particular corner.” Besides, the ice cream man isn’t forever.
“It’s summer,” he said, sighing. “It’s only four months.”
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Date: 2009-08-19 05:40 am (UTC)It was a special (and rare where I grew up) treat to hear and see one - and be allowed to indulge because I had been on good behavior and/or had saved my allowance (I was taught early on to save up two dollars a week for something special).
Most ice cream trucks had enough variety to cater to kids who even had certain allergies, like dairy...though if they were super-sensitive to the additives and trace amounts of dairy, there might be problems. I don't recall the additives being enough of a problem for me because of a once- or twice-a-month ice cream treat.
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Date: 2009-08-19 05:58 am (UTC)However, this is where parenting comes in. Tell. Your kid. No.
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Date: 2009-08-19 07:10 am (UTC)This was one of the few ways in which we were spoiled rotten; asking for a stop at the ice cream stand was perennially granted, unless it was too close to dinner. We got about one or two ice creams a week that way.
Ice cream trucks didn't drive past the house because we lived twenty miles out of town. When we lived where an ice cream truck did go by, many years later, the adults were the ones buying the ice creams (most of the people in the neighborhood were retired). It was good ice cream, but played only one song, loudly and obnoxiously, until we complained; the guy said he would ask his boss, and he did, and it ended up with a not-too-bad medley.
The local one here, though, has a Stepfordish quality to it. It drives up and down the streets behind our complex in the late afternoons. It plays mostly the same tunes and is owned by a local company. But it is much louder, and it actually includes a female voice calling "Hello?" There is something very wrong about that. Gabe says it reminds him of the abortion truck in The Pre-Persons by P.K. Dick. We call it Evil Zombie Ice Cream.
The people to buy ice creams from here are the Hispanics with the pushcarts with little bells on. They are everywhere. And. That. Is good ice cream.
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Date: 2009-08-19 01:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-19 02:46 pm (UTC)If parents are worried about their kids having an icee, (due to calories and whatnot), why don't they just let them have a diet one? That's just made with coke or 7-up -- no ice cream involved. (Or was that a "let them eat cake" answer?)
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Date: 2009-08-19 02:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-19 02:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-19 03:42 pm (UTC)Back at that little ice cream stand, the small vanilla dipped in chocolate was in fact referred to as a Dairy Queen.
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Date: 2009-08-19 05:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-19 07:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-19 07:32 am (UTC)I think there was always an ice cream truck near the park I went to as a kid, but we didn't go to the park very often, so the park and the ice cream were both treats. Also, my parents weren't taking me, my brother was (he was old enough to drive me - large age gaps in my family).
I wasn't the sort of kid to be pushy, so if I was told I couldn't have an ice cream, I'd just accept it. My family had far more problems with me not asking for things than with me asking for things, so I don't remember any ice cream truck conflicts. We also had a Friendly's near our home, and I remember asking either to go there or to have my father bring home ice cream (or related treats) far more often. I didn't need to hear an ice cream truck to decide I wanted ice cream and to ask for some.
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Date: 2009-08-19 01:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-19 12:30 pm (UTC)“But moms have a choice,” he said. “We should be mature enough to tell our kids, ‘No.’ ”
This soooooooooooooo much.
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Date: 2009-08-19 06:26 pm (UTC)I also live in a neighborhood where we often get ice cream trucks coming by seven or eight times a day, as late as 9 9:30 pm, and a couple a day even in winter. I really, really object to the after 8 o'clock ones, because I've had times where I JUST got my kid to drift off to sleep and the truck comes by and wakes her up, and then she's overtired, cranky, spun up and WANTS ICE CREAM NOW. Yeah, I can, and do, say no, but it can completely derail my entire evening, because it takes forever to get her back down to sleep.
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Date: 2009-08-19 06:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-20 10:26 pm (UTC)I'm thinking she might not be entirely without financial motivation, here.
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Date: 2009-08-21 01:56 am (UTC)I read a comment from her in a related article at slate.com where she says she was misrepresented and that this is all about illegal vendors. Well, nobody can misrepresent the words that actually come out of your mouth!
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Date: 2009-08-24 08:56 pm (UTC)Children who whine, fuss, or melt down when their request for junk food is denied are doing it because a) fussing, whining and melting down has worked in the past to get what they want, and/or b) they're hungry and tired, and should have been given a healthy snack half an hour ago.
"Nobody talks about this", eh? Well, here's some talk:
a) Reward behavior you want repeated. Do not reward behavior you do not want repeated.
b) Take care of childrens' needs before they have to resort to 'acting out' to get them met.
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Date: 2009-08-30 09:57 am (UTC)Well yes, I agree with this.
But also, people need to seriously grow up and become adults before they become parents.