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There's an update.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/998960--genderless-baby-s-mother-responds-to-media-frenzy

I'm not going to comment on this family and their choice, I really don't know enough about them to do that. I can say, though, that whatever you think on the subject, you'll likely find the following comment to the article either sad or hilarious, depending on your perspective.

when you are out in public and the kids need to use the washroom which one would they use mens or womens? how will the know about the birds bee's?

1. Gosh, I don't know. Given their apparent ages, most likely they use the same bathroom as the parent they're with right now, particularly the baby. Who isn't toilet trained. And can't walk. Or crawl, even. Or be trusted not to put things where they don't go, and eat what's not meant to be eaten.

2. How will they know about the birds and the bees? Well, if you learned about sex through public bathrooms, I am deeply, deeply disturbed. And if you learned about the fact that boys and girls generally have different genitalia by going to the public bathroom - well, this at a bare minimum involves some level of peeking and (if in the ladies room) some huge level of creeping under doors. Plus, by this guy's idea, shouldn't all the parts in each bathroom be the same? Seems to me that going into the other one would be more educational!

Date: 2011-05-31 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
Know about the birds bee's what? What does that birds bee own? And what does it have to do with a public restroom?

Date: 2011-05-31 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ncp.livejournal.com
And how does a birds bee differ from a bumble bee?

Date: 2011-05-31 09:41 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oloriel.livejournal.com
It's much bigger, and has feathers instead of bumblebee fluff! :D

Date: 2011-05-31 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ncp.livejournal.com
I've been purposely avoiding these articles, because I frankly don't care that much about it. If the kids grow up open-minded and loving, that's wonderful. If they grow up fundementally screwed up, then hey, as long as they aren't serial killers or rapists or pedophiles, no one else needs to get involved in the family drama.

But now that i know they named the kid "Jazz" and "Storm", i'm sort of leaning towards serial-killer-ville. Because when you name your genderless kid after an X-MAN WHO CONTROLS THE WEATHER, you are ASKING for trouble.

Date: 2011-05-31 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ncp.livejournal.com
What, no "Luke" thrown in there for good measure? Or "Anakin", which would have gotten him an acquital.

Date: 2011-05-31 09:46 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] chaos-by-design.livejournal.com
I strongly suspect that by the time teaching them about the "birds bee's" is an issue, the kid will have already figured out what gender they are on their own anyway. I figure this because a lot of trans people already knew their gender by a young age, and since nobody is raised to be trans, gender identity is probably pretty hard-wired no matter what you do. I mean, if trans kids can figure it out while being raised and told that they're the OPPOSITE gender from what they are all their lives...well then I can't think that simply not being told one way or another would cause much more confusion.

Maybe the kid will be more open and flexible about it for a while than a cis-kid who's told their gender from day one, but I strongly suspect that at some tender age they'll say "Mommy, daddy, I'm a ____" and that'll be pretty much the end of it.

Date: 2011-05-31 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayga.livejournal.com
On my birth video, the most common comment is, "OMG, you should have been in a hospital...because what did you do with the umbilical cord?" It's like, if THAT is your biggest worry, then, uh, don't worry.

Date: 2011-05-31 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayga.livejournal.com
They all died; ALL of them.

Date: 2011-06-02 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayga.livejournal.com
Haha, well, yes!

Date: 2011-05-31 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ncp.livejournal.com
That's what my mom said when I told her I'm having a homebirth this time around. "I don't like this. What if the cord gets wrapped around the baby's neck?" Seriously? On the list of "things that can go wrong in a homebirth", that's somewhere down around "can someone wipe my poop so it doesn't get on the baby?"

Date: 2011-05-31 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayga.livejournal.com
Exactly! I feel if someone says something like "what if the baby won't breathe?" or "what if the baby has a birth defect that needs immediate attention?" then those are valid concerns. But "your husband wasn't wearing gloves" as he guided the baby out or "who will cut the cord?!"

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