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Words cannot sum up how horrifying it is. Oddly, I find the bizarre and sudden dance routine far worse then the explicit statement that your mouth is there to make God happy. (And no, you're not alone in picturing something... else when they say that.)

What I don't get, and never have, is why (so many) Christians seem to interpret "Do not take the Lord's name in vain" as meaning "Don't say fuck or shit".

I can see why they can view it as "Don't say oh my god!" even though "God" is pretty obviously a title or description rather than a name. And I can sorta see how that prohibition can be extended to "Damn" or "Hell" (or "Tabernacle"...) I mean, it's all religious terms...?

But other "bad language"? Seriously? That's just stretching the point beyond recognition.

Date: 2012-02-06 05:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] akamine_chan
Ah. I can't erase those images and words from my brain.

Date: 2012-02-06 05:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] steorra
This particular example of a Christian applies "Do not take the Lord's name in vain" to things like "Oh my god", but not to taboo words more generally; I still avoid other taboo words (and even euphemisms for them), but I have never been able to come up with any rationally coherent reason why saying something like "shit" is universally wrong, and any attempted justifications I've been given have never made sense.

You know how it's usually said that people have a stronger taboo reaction to swear words in their native language than in a foreign language, so tend to swear more freely in a foreign language because the swear words there have less of an emotional impact? I actually had an experience once that was pretty much opposite of that, and I think there was an explainable reason for it.

I was in a class on Modern Greek Linguistics. The prof was explaining a couple exclamations, one of which was basically "oh my god" in Greek, word-for-word. Now, while in English I don't use the expression, I don't have a strong reaction to it. But I had a fairly strong shocked/jarred reaction to the Greek expression. (Note that I will quote the English expression but feel uncomfortable even quoting the Greek one.) My guess at the reason for this is that because the English expression is culturally treated as fairly mild, I find it problematic on principled grounds, but don't have a strong taboo reaction to it, and am accustomed to not taking a lot of notice when other people say it even if I wouldn't say it myself. But the Greek expression has the freshness of something never heard before, and so what it literally says is more obvious, and therefore shocking.

Date: 2012-02-06 09:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mc776
A quick search for {difference between black and negro} on DuckDuckGo suggests three things:

1. America is a big place.
2. There are lots of different kinds of black people.
3. People don't know exactly how many kinds of black people there are in America or where they're all from, so it's all kinda really complicated.

It seems to me the current situation is the result of a long struggle between needing a common identity while not acquiescing to an identity imposed by the oppressor, all the while speaking the oppressor's language as one's native tongue...

Date: 2012-02-06 05:45 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] tsukikage85.livejournal.com
This may just be me being the daughter of a language-loving English major, but what makes me sad is that people don't understand the power of language, including swear words. This both means that we need to not fling swear-words around thoughtlessly (in particular I avoid swearing *at* people, since I don't like hurting people's feelings), but sometimes swearing is one of the best ways to express frustration and other emotions.

Date: 2012-02-06 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
"your mouth is there to make God happy. (And no, you're not alone in picturing something... else when they say that.)"

Especially considering the website's freaking name.... printed at the top of the video screen...

Date: 2012-02-06 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
Okay, I made the mistake of thinking "onkneesforjesus.blogspot.com" was for real. It looks like it's more like the Landover Baptist Church.

Date: 2012-02-06 12:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oloriel.livejournal.com
What I don't get, and never have, is why (so many) Christians seem to interpret "Do not take the Lord's name in vain" as meaning "Don't say fuck or shit".

Yeah, me neither. As kids, of course, we weren't allowed to say "fuck" or "shit" (in their German versions) - but not for reasons of faith, but just because it was considered impolite and crude and not something that well-bred people did except in cases of GREAT distress.
My mother was, however, adamant that we were NOT to say "Oh my God" or "I swear to God" or "Jesus Christ" or "damn" or the like for no good reason, because that was indeed covered by "Do not take the Lord's name in vain". But there were enough other swearwords that were acceptable - mild excremental swears (like "crap"), traditional parodies of religious swears (like "darned"), etc. Because swearing in general tends to be necessary. If something heavy drops on your foot, you're not likely to quietly say "Ow" and move on. People need an outlet, for God's sake! (HAH!)

And as you say , it's just stretching the point. Although it allows for interesting interpretations - if saying "FUCK!" = "taking the Lord's name in vain", then the Lord's name is what...?
Which, I suppose, takes us back to "pleasuring God with your mouth". XD
Edited Date: 2012-02-06 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jhw_5ye8Qo

Date: 2012-02-06 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
Ack, horrifying low-rent Barney-ripoff Sunday School TV!!!

*makes the Voorish sign at the creature: "Ftaghn! Ftaghn!"*

... I don't find the message objectionable in its context. If a person believes in the Judeo-Christian precepts, there are strict standards both about what goes in one's mouth and what comes out of it, based on what God is supposed to want and expect. I find it hard to believe that the little Christian children who are forced to watch this show aren't making merciless fun of it, but that's beside the point; it's no stupider than a lot of other kiddie shows.

In any case, there's nothing wrong with telling children not to be potty-mouths, even if the Bible says nothing about scatological slang or insults, or even if one does not care what the Bible says about anything. Certain words are considered not-nice; a child who uses them is branding himself or herself as low-class, ill-mannered, of indifferent parents and an unwholesome environment, which is not an advantageous image to present.

I think it's sad and fucked-up that peoples minds immediately go into the gutter re "pleasuring God with your mouth", but that's the price of Fundamentalism being so heavily associated with child abuse.

Date: 2012-02-07 11:24 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oloriel.livejournal.com
I think it's sad and fucked-up that peoples minds immediately go into the gutter re "pleasuring God with your mouth", but that's the price of Fundamentalism being so heavily associated with child abuse.

No, that's the price of the phrase "pleasuring someone with your mouth" being so heavily associated with oral sex. I think that association kicks in even without the child abuse issue.

Granted, that may be a non-native speaker thing. Maybe "to pleasure [X] with your mouth" has a whole range of innocent meanings that I just don't know, seeing how I only come across the phrase in English-language slash fiction. To my understanding, "to please ..." would be less heavily loaded, but what do I know, really?

Date: 2012-02-08 07:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sporks5000.livejournal.com
I always knew that God had many names, but I never knew that "Fuck" and "Shit" were among them.

This adds the minor inconvenience that now I have to capitalize them all the time.

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